x->x*ceiling(x)
Roland Bacher
Roland.Bacher at ujf-grenoble.fr
Fri Aug 30 09:21:24 CEST 2002
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, David Boyd wrote:
>
> > In answer to John's question, the result about 14,23 is in
> > my paper in Acta Arith, v. 24 (1977), 89--98. Shortly
> > thereafter, I was able to show that starting with any of
> > the following gives a Pisot sequence which is not linearly
> > recurrent: 7,15 8,14 9,15 9,17 9,19 10,18 10,21.
> > David Cantor suggested that probably 4,13 also is a bad
> > starting pair. One of my old Macs did a computation
> > verifying this but since it ran for a few months I wouldn't
> > claim that this has yet been proved, but if true it is
> > a matter of a finite computation.
>
> Could you briefly explain how you prove such things
> (and in particular, why they reduce to finite computations)?
>
> > I don't think the sequences generated by x -> x*ceil(x)
> > have much to do with Pisot sequences....
>
> I didn't think there was much real resemblance either -
> just a reminiscence, so to speak.
>
> Regards, John Conway
>
I cannot prove that the sequence gotten by iterating
x->x*ceil(x) and starting with x_0=1+1/n gets always integral,
but it does so for n=1,....,100.
the first integral indices are:
0, 1, 2, 3, 18, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 26, 4, 9, 3, 4, 8, 6, 4, 56, 11, 3, 4, 42, 4, 33, 7, 5, 4, 38, 5, 79, 6, 4, 15, 14, 8, 200, 29, 13, 5, 36, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11, 8, 6, 20, 47, 27, 43, 9, 41, 9, 10, 23, 37, 17, 18, 6, 7, 6, 32, 15, 225, 7, 73, 11, 20, 12, 182, 9, 16, 7, 10, 15, 196, 8, 11, 62, 23, 5, 26, 4, 5, 8, 85, 11, 18, 61, 22, 177, 59, 10, 187, 10, 20, 6
local maxima are achieved for n=1,2,3,4,5 (18), 11 (26), 19 (56), 37 (200) and
67 (225) .
hence x_{18} \in N for x_0=1+1/5;
I have computed these values by doing all computations over the integers
(multiply by n) and by truncating modulo n^250. This avoids the explosion
of the integers (of order 2^(2^k) after $k$ iterations)
and gives the correct answer if the final index i(n) is < 250
(or perhaps 249 or 248). If the algorithm does not stop befor 245 you should
increase precision (work with n^500 or even higher).
Roland Bacher
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