[seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS

David Corneth davidacorneth at gmail.com
Fri Sep 18 00:10:38 CEST 2015


I think More and Full can come together. Suppose a sequence has some 1,000
elements, all listed in a b-file, but the data-field only lists 2 elements
(6 characters) or so. Then both Full and More apply to the sequence.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Neil Sloane <njasloane at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is also nothing wrong with the combination less+more
>
> Less means we have enough of this kind of sequence, while more
> means this particular sequence needs more terms
>
> Best regards
> Neil
>
> Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
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>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Neil Sloane <njasloane at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "fini" and "more" is perfectly OK.
> >
> > It would mean that the sequence is finite, but we need more terms.
> >
> > [You were probably thinking of "full" and "more",
> > which indeed are incompatible]
> >
> > Best regards
> > Neil
> >
> > Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
> > 11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park, NJ 08904, USA.
> > Also Visiting Scientist, Math. Dept., Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ.
> > Phone: 732 828 6098; home page: http://NeilSloane.com
> > Email: njasloane at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Frank Adams-Watters <
> > franktaw at netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed. Actually, even "fini" and "more" is suspicious, but there are
> >> valid cases for it.
> >>
> >> I tend to think that "nice" and "core" really are incompatible with
> >> "obsc" and "uned". Once we figure out what the sequence actually is is
> soon
> >> enough to apply those labels.
> >>
> >> Franklin T. Adams-Watters
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Charles Greathouse <charles.greathouse at case.edu>
> >> To: Sequence Fanatics Discussion list <seqfan at list.seqfan.eu>
> >> Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 11:55 am
> >> Subject: [seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS
> >>
> >>
> >> I can imagine nice with any of obsc, unkn, and uned. I've seen
> submissions
> >> which
> >> were definitely nice sequences but which required large amounts of
> >> editing;
> >> without the editing the sequence would have been nice and uned.
> >> It's harder to
> >> imagine an obsc/unkn sequence being nice, but suppose the
> >> supersingular primes
> >> were submitted (sufficiently long ago that they were
> >> unknown), but with a
> >> tantalizing description hinting at moonshine. Not
> >> likely, for sure, but probably
> >> not wrong by definition.
> >>
> >> I might argue that probation is incompatible with
> >> core, though: we wouldn't
> >> delete a core sequence, but that's the purpose of
> >> probation. But maybe
> >> there's a scenario like the above I haven't considered.
> >>
> >> I
> >> did think of another forbidden combination, though: full and more.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >> Greathouse
> >> Analyst/Programmer
> >> Case Western Reserve University
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 17,
> >> 2015 at 12:35 PM, Max Alekseyev <maxale at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Similarly, "nice"
> >> and "uned", or "nice" and "unkn" is probably is a no-no
> >> > combination.
> >> >
> >> > On
> >> Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Frank Adams-Watters <
> >> > franktaw at netscape.net
> >> > >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "nice" should also never appear with "obsc".
> >> > >
> >> > > Franklin T.
> >> Adams-Watters
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Charles Greathouse
> >> <charles.greathouse at case.edu>
> >> > > To: Sequence Fanatics Discussion list
> >> <seqfan at list.seqfan.eu>
> >> > > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 10:30 am
> >> > > Subject:
> >> [seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > If there are any more
> >> combinations of keywords that should trigger
> >> > > warnings
> >> > > I'd like to know.
> >> I currently have:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - "full" without "fini" -->
> >> > > warning (never
> >> occurs).
> >> > > > - "tabl" and "tabf" together --> warning (occurred 1
> >> > > time,
> >> fixed now).
> >> > >
> >> > > Let's see. Keywords "recycled", "allocated", and
> >> "allocating"
> >> > > should never
> >> > > appear with other keywords. Really
> >> keyword:dead should also appear
> >> > > alone,
> >> > > but in practice there are cases
> >> where it does not (I count 54).
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:nice
> >> > > should never appear with
> >> kw:less.
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:easy should never appear with
> >> > > kw:hard.
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:nonn
> >> should never appear with kw:sign.
> >> > >
> >> > > The keywords done, dupe,
> >> > > huge, and
> >> part have been deprecated and should not
> >> > > be used in any
> >> > > sequences.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Charles Greathouse
> >> > > Analyst/Programmer
> >> > > Case Western Reserve
> >> > >
> >> University
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sidney Cadot
> >> <sidney at jigsaw.nl>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I fixed 21 sequences
> >> that had such an error. But you might
> >> > > check that
> >> > > > > I caught them
> >> all.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It seems so - and from what I can tell you
> >> > > also took care
> >> of all
> >> > > > entries with superfluous commas, so that should care of
> >> > > issues
> >> (P11)
> >> > > > and (P13) on the list.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It will take ~ 1.5 weeks for my
> >> local
> >> > > copy of the database to refresh
> >> > > > the entire database, which will
> >> allow the
> >> > > parser to check the fixes
> >> > > > automatically; this is because I
> >> get all data via
> >> > > HTTP and I throttle
> >> > > > access to under a thousand
> >> requests per hour. In fact
> >> > > while starting
> >> > > > this project I went beyond
> >> that, which may show up in the
> >> > > server usage
> >> > > > statistics and I hope this
> >> hasn't cause performance issues -- if
> >> > > so I
> >> > > > apologize.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If
> >> there is a more direct way to access the data that
> >> > > doesn't burden
> >> > > > the
> >> server as much, I'd be happy to implement it. Also, if
> >> > > there is
> >> > > >
> >> interest to automate the process of detecting issues in the
> >> > > database,
> >> > > >
> >> I will be happy to hand over my scripts once they have
> >> > > stabilized.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There was one that had both tabl and tabf keywords.
> >> > > > > I
> >> > > don't know
> >> if you considered that an error - it is
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I added that condition as
> >> >
> >> > a check and re-ran, A212013 seems to have
> >> > > > been the only entry that had
> >> this
> >> > > particular combination.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If there are any more combinations
> >> of keywords that
> >> > > should trigger
> >> > > > warnings I'd like to know. I currently
> >> have:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - "full"
> >> > > without "fini" --> warning (never occurs).
> >> > > >
> >> - "tabl" and "tabf" together -->
> >> > > warning (occurred 1 time, fixed now).
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > > > Kind regards
> >> > > >  Sidney
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
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