[seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS

Fri Sep 18 10:01:59 CEST 2015

No, then more terms should be copied from the b-file, instead of adding the "more" keyword..

Franklin T. Adams-Watters

-----Original Message-----
From: David Corneth <davidacorneth at gmail.com>
To: Sequence Fanatics Discussion list <seqfan at list.seqfan.eu>
Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 2:29 am
Subject: [seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS

I think More and Full can come together. Suppose a sequence has some
1,000
elements, all listed in a b-file, but the data-field only lists 2
elements
(6 characters) or so. Then both Full and More apply to the
sequence.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Neil Sloane <njasloane at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is also nothing wrong with the combination less+more
>
> Less
means we have enough of this kind of sequence, while more
> means this
particular sequence needs more terms
>
> Best regards
> Neil
>
> Neil J. A.
Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
> 11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park,
NJ 08904, USA.
> Also Visiting Scientist, Math. Dept., Rutgers University,
Piscataway, NJ.
> Phone: 732 828 6098; home page: http://NeilSloane.com
> Email:
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>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Neil Sloane
<njasloane at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "fini" and "more" is perfectly OK.
> >
> > It
would mean that the sequence is finite, but we need more terms.
> >
> > [You
were probably thinking of "full" and "more",
> > which indeed are
incompatible]
> >
> > Best regards
> > Neil
> >
> > Neil J. A. Sloane,
President, OEIS Foundation.
> > 11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park, NJ
08904, USA.
> > Also Visiting Scientist, Math. Dept., Rutgers University,
Piscataway, NJ.
> > Phone: 732 828 6098; home page: http://NeilSloane.com
> >
Email: njasloane at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Frank
Adams-Watters <
> > franktaw at netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed. Actually,
even "fini" and "more" is suspicious, but there are
> >> valid cases for it.
>
>>
> >> I tend to think that "nice" and "core" really are incompatible with
> >>
"obsc" and "uned". Once we figure out what the sequence actually is is
> soon
>
>> enough to apply those labels.
> >>
> >> Franklin T. Adams-Watters
> >>
> >>
-----Original Message-----
> >> From: Charles Greathouse
<charles.greathouse at case.edu>
> >> To: Sequence Fanatics Discussion list
<seqfan at list.seqfan.eu>
> >> Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 11:55 am
> >> Subject:
[seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS
> >>
> >>
> >> I can imagine nice with any
of obsc, unkn, and uned. I've seen
> submissions
> >> which
> >> were definitely
nice sequences but which required large amounts of
> >> editing;
> >> without
the editing the sequence would have been nice and uned.
> >> It's harder to
> >>
imagine an obsc/unkn sequence being nice, but suppose the
> >> supersingular
primes
> >> were submitted (sufficiently long ago that they were
> >> unknown),
but with a
> >> tantalizing description hinting at moonshine. Not
> >> likely,
for sure, but probably
> >> not wrong by definition.
> >>
> >> I might argue
that probation is incompatible with
> >> core, though: we wouldn't
> >> delete a
core sequence, but that's the purpose of
> >> probation. But maybe
> >> there's
a scenario like the above I haven't considered.
> >>
> >> I
> >> did think of
another forbidden combination, though: full and more.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
Greathouse
> >> Analyst/Programmer
> >> Case Western Reserve University
> >>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 17,
> >> 2015 at 12:35 PM, Max Alekseyev <maxale at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> > Similarly, "nice"
> >> and "uned", or "nice" and "unkn" is
probably is a no-no
> >> > combination.
> >> >
> >> > On
> >> Thu, Sep 17, 2015
at 11:43 AM, Frank Adams-Watters <
> >> > franktaw at netscape.net
> >> > >
> >>
wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "nice" should also never appear with "obsc".
> >> > >
>
>> > > Franklin T.
> >> Adams-Watters
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original
Message-----
> >> > > From: Charles Greathouse
> >>
<charles.greathouse at case.edu>
> >> > > To: Sequence Fanatics Discussion list
>
>> <seqfan at list.seqfan.eu>
> >> > > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 10:30 am
> >> > >
Subject:
> >> [seqfan] Re: Inconsistencies in OEIS
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
If there are any more
> >> combinations of keywords that should trigger
> >> > >
warnings
> >> > > I'd like to know.
> >> I currently have:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
- "full" without "fini" -->
> >> > > warning (never
> >> occurs).
> >> > > > -
"tabl" and "tabf" together --> warning (occurred 1
> >> > > time,
> >> fixed
now).
> >> > >
> >> > > Let's see. Keywords "recycled", "allocated", and
> >>
"allocating"
> >> > > should never
> >> > > appear with other keywords. Really
>
>> keyword:dead should also appear
> >> > > alone,
> >> > > but in practice
there are cases
> >> where it does not (I count 54).
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:nice
>
>> > > should never appear with
> >> kw:less.
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:easy should
never appear with
> >> > > kw:hard.
> >> > >
> >> > > kw:nonn
> >> should never
appear with kw:sign.
> >> > >
> >> > > The keywords done, dupe,
> >> > > huge,
and
> >> part have been deprecated and should not
> >> > > be used in any
> >> >
> sequences.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Charles Greathouse
> >> > >
Analyst/Programmer
> >> > > Case Western Reserve
> >> > >
> >> University
> >> >
>
> >> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sidney Cadot
> >>
<sidney at jigsaw.nl>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> I fixed 21 sequences
> >> that had such an error. But you might
> >> > > check
that
> >> > > > > I caught them
> >> all.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It seems so -
and from what I can tell you
> >> > > also took care
> >> of all
> >> > > >
entries with superfluous commas, so that should care of
> >> > > issues
> >>
(P11)
> >> > > > and (P13) on the list.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It will take ~ 1.5
weeks for my
> >> local
> >> > > copy of the database to refresh
> >> > > > the
entire database, which will
> >> allow the
> >> > > parser to check the fixes
>
>> > > > automatically; this is because I
> >> get all data via
> >> > > HTTP
and I throttle
> >> > > > access to under a thousand
> >> requests per hour. In
fact
> >> > > while starting
> >> > > > this project I went beyond
> >> that,
which may show up in the
> >> > > server usage
> >> > > > statistics and I hope
this
> >> hasn't cause performance issues -- if
> >> > > so I
> >> > > >
apologize.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If
> >> there is a more direct way to access
the data that
> >> > > doesn't burden
> >> > > > the
> >> server as much, I'd be
happy to implement it. Also, if
> >> > > there is
> >> > > >
> >> interest to
automate the process of detecting issues in the
> >> > > database,
> >> > > >
>
>> I will be happy to hand over my scripts once they have
> >> > > stabilized.
>
>> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There was one that had both tabl and tabf keywords.
>
>> > > > > I
> >> > > don't know
> >> if you considered that an error - it is
>
>> > > >
> >> > > > I added that condition as
> >> >
> >> > a check and re-ran,
A212013 seems to have
> >> > > > been the only entry that had
> >> this
> >> > >
particular combination.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If there are any more
combinations
> >> of keywords that
> >> > > should trigger
> >> > > > warnings
I'd like to know. I currently
> >> have:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - "full"
> >> > >
without "fini" --> warning (never occurs).
> >> > > >
> >> - "tabl" and "tabf"
together -->
> >> > > warning (occurred 1 time, fixed now).
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> > > Kind regards
> >> > > >  Sidney
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >>
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