[seqfan] Re: Need help reverse engineering sequence from Per Noergard

[Neil Sloane]

Jon,  that is very helpful!!  when I've digested it I propose to take the
liberty of adding an edited version as a text file to A004718.  I'll let
you know when.

I'll also add a comment about the fractal-like property of the infinity
sequence (based on taking every 16-th term), which was new to me.

Best regards
Neil

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On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 4:35 PM Jon Wild <wild at music.mcgill.ca> wrote:

>
> Dear Neil,
>
> The musical notation in that image is just the composer's "infinity
> sequence" read into an array 16 pitches wide, like this:
>
>   0,  1, -1, 2,  1,  0, -2, 3, -1, 2,  0,  1, 2, -1, -3, 4,
>   1,  0, -2, 3,  0,  1, -1, 2, -2, 3,  1,  0, 3, -2, -4, 5,
> -1,  2,  0, 1,  2, -1, -3, 4,  0, 1, -1,  2, 1,  0, -2, 3,
>   2, -1, -3, 4, -1,  2,  0, 1, -3, 4,  2, -1, 4, -3, -5, 6,
>   1,  0, -2, 3,  0,  1, -1, 2, -2, 3,  1,  0, 3, -2, -4, 5,
> ...
>
> The notated tune on the staff that starts at the centre of the spiral and
> proceeds outwards contains the infinity sequence (each entry of the
> sequence gives the interval measured from the starting note, G). The
> "spokes" of the spiral present the vertical columns of the array above. It
> looks as if the vertical spoke that is aimed downwards in the image you
> linked, and which contains the leftmost column of the array here,
> reproduces the infinity sequence itself. (Does this hold? It doesn't
> appear in the notes to A004718.)
>
> Overlaid on that spiral are the various coloured lines that appear to be
> constructed in fairly ad hoc ways:
>
> The five yellow lines start from the first member of the series. One of
> them hits every 15th element, one hits every 17th element, one every 20th
> element, and the two others might be every 65th and 78th element but they
> hit so few notes it's hard to extrapolate from what we see.
>
> There are blue and green lines emanating from the 4th and 5th pitches that
> hit every 15 notes. And so on, with many other colour connections that
> seem to have just been drawn onto the diagram in a way that pleased the
> composer or that were suggestive to him for some unknown reason.
>
> Then as to the question of how the actual musical work was composed, given
> this "pre-compositional" design: that can only be figured out from an
> intensive study of the score and/or the composer's sketches, or else by
> asking him. I'm pretty sure, knowing some of his other works, that it will
> have been done far from mechanically, and with many note choices made for
> reasons other than mathematical.
>
> The excerpt you posted at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc8GvMkjGBc
> involves microtones, which don't appear anywhere on the image, so I
> imagine portions of the work are not derived from that image at all.
>
> The other excerpt at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELIA88kHJr4 starts
> on
> F# and follows the sequence "0 1 -1 -2 2 -4", which is obviously
> spiral-like in a way, but doesn't appear exactly like that near the
> beginning of the sequence. The flutes come in with E-D-F#-G# or "0 -2 2
> 4", another spiral-like design. All that to say: I'm not sure the music is
> composed according to this design at all, but if it is, it's done so in a
> very obscure and personal way.
>
> Best,
>
> Jon Wild
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018, Neil Sloane wrote:
>
> > Dear Seq Fans, If you look on YouTube for a musical work by the famous
> > Danish composer Per Nørgård called "Iris" or maybe "voyage into the
> golden
> > screen", you see something that looks like a sequence written around a
> > spiral.
> >
> > One of these links may work, depending on what country you are in:
> >
> > Per Nørgård [Noergaard], <a href="
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc8GvMkjGBc">Voyage into the golden
> > screen</a>, on YouTube.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELIA88kHJr4
> >
> > Could someone convert this to a sequence for the OEIS?
> >
> > (The infinity sequence is another work of his, for which the sequence is
> > A004718)
> >
> > The test for success would be that when you click the listen button on
> the
> > OEIS entry,  you hear something that is an approximation to the musical
> > work.
> >
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