# [seqfan] Re: Goodstein sequence offsets

Neil Sloane njasloane at gmail.com
Wed Aug 21 06:40:42 CEST 2019

```it is OK with me to  adopt a uniform offset
Best regards
Neil

Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:07 AM Nick Matteo <kundor at kundor.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> The OEIS is currently inconsistent with the starting offset of
> Goodstein sequences.
>
> By my count, there are 49 sequences in the OEIS involving these sequences.
> (A full list is at the end of this email.)
>
> Ten of them have offset 2, or (for the sequences of the form "kth step in
> Goodstein sequences") are described consistently with such an offset.
> (This has
> the convenient feature that term a(n) is expressed in base n.)
>
> 34 sequences use an offset of 0, so that term a(n) is expressed in base
> n+2.
>
> One sequence uses offset 1, and the remaining four are offset-agnostic.
>
> Personally, I like offset 2, but the literature seems to be in favor of
> offset
> 0.  Goodstein's own paper "On the restricted ordinal theorem" (1944) starts
> from any number n_0 and allows any non-decreasing sequence p_r of bases,
> starting with p_0 >= 2; then n_{r+1} is obtained by bumping the hereditary
> base
> p_r expression of n_r to base p_{r+1}, and subtracting one.  ("Goodstein
> sequences" use p_r = r + 2 as the bases.)
>
> Kirby and Paris "Accessible independence results for Peano arithmetic"
> (1982)
> also use offset 0, defining m_0 = m for the initial term, then m_n =
> G_{n+1}(m_{n-1}), where G_k(m) expresses m in hereditary base k and bumps
> to
> base k+1 (and subtracts one).
>
> Other sources, including Hrbacek & Jech _Introduction to Set Theory_
> (1999, pp.
> 125-127), Hodgson "Herculean or Sisyphean Tasks" (Newsletter of the EMS,
> 2004),
> the Googology wiki https://googology.wikia.org/wiki/Goodstein_sequence,
> and
> MathWorld http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoodsteinSequence.html, agree with
> offset 0.
>
> A few sources (notably Wikipedia
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem;
> also Caicedo "Goodstein's function" (Revista Colombiana de Matemáticas,
> 2007)
> prefer offset 1.
>
> I couldn't find any support for offset 2.
>
> Therefore, I propose changing the sequences currently using offset 2 to be
> offset 0 instead.  If no one objects I'll submit revisions to the
> sequences (I
> have b-files to add also).
>
> Cheers,
> Nick Matteo
>
>
> Offset 2:
> A056193 "Goodstein sequence with a(2) = 4" (Henry Bottomley)
> A222117 "Goodstein sequence starting with 15" (Reinhard Zumkeller)
> A059933 "Goodstein sequence with a(2)=16" (HB)
> A211378 "Goodstein sequence starting with 19" (RZ)
> A137411 "Weak Goodstein sequence starting at 11" (myself)
> A056041 Base where weak Goodstein sequence reaches 0 (HB)
> A057650 "Second step in Goodstein sequences, i.e., g(4) if g(2)=n" (HB)
> A059934 "Third step in Goodstein sequences, i.e., g(5) if g(2)=n" (HB)
> A059935 "Fourth step in Goodstein sequences, i.e., g(6) if g(2)=n" (HB)
> A059936 "Fifth step in Goodstein sequences, i.e., g(7) if g(2)=n" (HB)
>
> Offset 0:
> A215409 G_n(3) (Jonathan Sondow)
>
> All the following are by Natan Arie' Consigli:
> A266204, A266205, A271554, A271555, A271556, A271557, A271558, A271559,
> A271560, A271561: G_n(5) through G_n(14)
> A271562 G_n(17)
> A271975 G_n(18)
> A217976 G_n(20)
> A266201 G_n(n)
> A271977, A271978, A271979, A271985, A271986: Sixth through tenth steps
> A267647, A267648, A271987, A271988, A271989, A271990, A271991: weak
> Goodstein
> sequences g_n(4) through g_n(10)
> A271992 g_n(16)
> A266202 g_n(n)
> A266203 "Number of steps k to make g_k(n) converge to zero" (= A056041(n)
> - 2)
> A268688, A268689 Last or first index, respectively, of the maximum value in
> the weak Goodstein sequence for n
>
> A265034 "Weak Goodstein sequence beginning with 266" (N.J.A. Sloane)
> A296441 "Array A(n,k) = G_k(n)" (Iain Fox)
>
> Offset 1:
> A222113 "Goodstein sequence starting with a(1) = 16" (RZ)
>
> Offset-agnostic:
> A056004 "Initial step in Goodstein sequences" (HB)
> A222112 "Initial step in Goodstein sequences" (when subtracting first) (RZ)
> A268687 "a(n) = MAX(g_k(n))" (NAC)
> A300404 "Smallest integer k such that the largest term in the Goodstein
> sequence starting at k is > n" (Felix Fröhlich)
>
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