[seqfan] Re: A091967 and A102288
Neil Sloane
njasloane at gmail.com
Sun Nov 27 20:52:49 CET 2016
Daniel, Thanks again for those comments! I have now edited all 4 of these
sequences, A091967, A102288, A051070, A107357. The main change I made was
to add an "escape clause",
defining a(n) to be -1 if A_n did not have enough terms. Of course this
required a number of changes to the comments and examples.
You were right about a(1) being 0 in A091967. To answer your question,
A091967(45) = A000045(44) = 701408733. (See the b-file for A091967.)
Best regards
Neil
Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park, NJ 08904, USA.
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Email: njasloane at gmail.com
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Neil Sloane <njasloane at gmail.com> wrote:
> Daniel, Thanks very much for those comments. I will edit both those
> sequences sometime this afternoon.
>
> Best regards
> Neil
>
> Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation.
> 11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park, NJ 08904, USA.
> Also Visiting Scientist, Math. Dept., Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ.
> Phone: 732 828 6098; home page: http://NeilSloane.com
> Email: njasloane at gmail.com
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Daniel <kimpire at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a question and comment about these two sequences. Quick summary:
>> A091967(n) is the nth term of the nth sequence in OEIS, and A102288 is
>> Cantor's diagonal method as applied to the OEIS and is therefore
>> A091967(n)+1. A102288 is therefore a sequence that theoretically cannot
>> appear in OEIS.
>>
>> When this morning I thought of the idea behind A102288 and searched for
>> it, I couldn't find it. I couldn't fathom how this was possible, and did
>> dozens of searches to try and find it. Eventually I gave up, and I created
>> an account to submit it. I reserved an A-number first (so I could reference
>> the sequence's own A-number and mention a(A) as undefinable), but while I
>> was filling in the form I discovered the superseeker. This located the
>> sequence for me, and the reason I hadn't found it yet turned out to be very
>> simple: I had the first entry wrong.
>>
>> Or did I? A091967 writes "This version ignores the offset of A_n and just
>> counts from the beginning of the terms shown in the OEIS entry", and
>> A102288(n) is A091967(n)+1. A000001 starts with a(0)=0, yet A091967(1)=1
>> and A102288(1)=2. All other entries in A091967 and A102288 seem to treat
>> a(0), if it exists, as term #1 because we're ignoring the offset. So why is
>> it different only for a(1)?
>>
>> Is this an example of M. F. Hasler's comment on A091967 that "The
>> sequence may also change each time an additional initial term is prefixed
>> to some other sequence, which happens quite frequently in the OEIS", and
>> merely signifies that A000001 has been changed? Or am I doing something
>> wrong here? I seem to have all of the other entries in the sequence
>> correct. Normally I wouldn't hesitate to just correct it myself, but this
>> is the *very first entry* in the encyclopedia, so the probability that it
>> hadn't been noticed before now (and the probability that somebody wouldn't
>> notice that the very first term in these sequences is wrong) are low enough
>> to make me doubt myself.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Incidentally, I added a(43) and a(44) to A091967 and A102288. a(43)
>> because A000043(43) has been discovered since somebody last updated it, and
>> a(44) because NJAS wrote explicitly what it would be. I could have extended
>> them further, but A000045 starts with a 0 offset, and I was nervous about
>> making that addition until I knew the answer to the above question.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Finally, I'd like to make a proposal to slightly add to the definition of
>> A102288. Currently, the definition does not actually bring about the
>> quality that the diagonal method is supposed to be used to create, namely:
>> "a sequence that cannot appear in OEIS". We have some unknown entries
>> beginning at a(47), but even if it and all subsequent unknown entries are
>> discovered, the sequence ends with a(52); a(53) does not exist because
>> A000053 is finite and too short. Thus, the sequence in its entirety may in
>> fact one day appear in its entirety in OEIS, which defeats the very purpose
>> of using the diagonal method.
>>
>> But what if we add "if A_n(n) does not exist, a(n)=1" to the definition?
>> This lets the sequence retain its quality of being "a sequence that cannot
>> appear in the OEIS" - because it is still not identical to any other
>> sequence - and also enables us to theoretically extend the sequence up to
>> the undefinable a(102288) itself. As stated, we currently reach an
>> not-yet-known value at a(47), so this change to the definition will not yet
>> have any practical effect, but since the sequence is not of true
>> mathematical significance and is of the "just for fun" type anyway, it
>> would be nice to be able to state unequivocally that the sequence cannot
>> appear in this database.
>>
>> Sadly, we obviously cannot add something similar to the definition of
>> A(091967).
>>
>> Alternatively: I can use the A-number I've already reserved to duplicate
>> A102288 with this slightly different definition. I think that's overkill,
>> though, since we already have *two* types of this sequence, one respecting
>> and one ignoring the offset. We probably don't need a third.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel Sterman
>>
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