Rosh Hashana Calculations

Henry Gould gould at math.wvu.edu
Tue Sep 26 19:27:13 CEST 2006


Yes, but you fail to address the matter of MATHEMATICALLY defined 
sequences, which most of these offending sequences are not. Why not just 
start a separate Online Encyclopedia of _Interesting_ Sequences to 
contrast with the original OEIS?

--Gould

Jonathan Post wrote:
> I am one of the "offenders" who has not only asked the question that 
> sparked this discussion, but has also submitted many apparently  
> "vague" sequences, such as those related to atomic weights.
>
> On the other hand, one good reason to allow such sequences is to 
> include sufficient caveats in the comments as to show why the sequence 
> is ill-defined under reasonable assumptions.
>
> A second good reason to include such sequences is to save people the 
> effort of trying to find a formula for a sequence that they have seen 
> external to OEIS, when the formula either fails to exist or has caveats.
>
> A third good reason to include such sequences as the one in question 
> is that there are several calendrical sequences already in OEIS, and 
> another brings us asymptotically closer to closure.
>
> A fourth good reason to include such sequences is that calenders are 
> one of the oldest sources of mathematical calculation by our species.
>
> Finally, "artificially contrived" is even more vague and unyielding to 
> consistent definition, both between authorities and over time. 
>
> I believe that the system of God-Emperor njas atop the pyramid, 
> associate editors arrayed with him, feedback from sequence submitters, 
> and emails from seqfans is mature and robust enough to deal 
> appropriately with such concerns. What you say is true for you, but 
> combines a problem of subjectivity with an alleged institutional problem.
>
> I have seen such arguments become angry indeed, as, for instance, when 
> a motion was formally voted upon (and lost) that "franchise novels" 
> such as Star Trek novels, Star Wars novels, and the like, should not 
> be eligible for Nebula Awards given by Active Members of Science 
> Fiction Writers of America.  There were many good and heated arguments 
> pro and con at that formal meeting of SFWA, but one compelling 
> argument was that we should trust the judgment of our professional 
> membership.
>
> On 9/26/06, *Karol PENSON* <penson at lptl.jussieu.fr 
> <mailto:penson at lptl.jussieu.fr>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with Henry Gould's opinion.
>                        Karol A. Penson
>
>
>
>
>
>     wrote:
>
>     > Putting religious numbers sequences into OEIS troubles me. For a
>     > beginning example, the precise day that Ramadan beings in subject to
>     > widely different interpretations. One authoritative source
>     believes it
>     > is one day and others thins it is another day. Some people are very
>     > strict and say it begins when the leader actually SEES the new moon.
>     >
>     > In short I believe these kinds of numbers are too variable to
>     deserve
>     > any mention in OEIS.
>     >
>     > Does anyone else agree?
>     >
>     > These matters like some other recreational sequences are just too
>     > vague for my taste. Likewise the planet numbers, atomic weights,
>     > binding energies, etc. and most physical constants. They just do not
>     > belong in OEIS, which ought to be concerned with validly defined
>     > MATHEMATICAL sequences, not artificially contrived and religious
>     > numbers. I do not even believe the ushango numbers from the African
>     > bone constitute a validly defined sequence so I think OEIS is
>     getting
>     > toltally wild and unpleasing if you let these thing in. They
>     belong in
>     > an amusement category on another website.
>     >
>     > Henry Gould
>     >
>     > Hans Havermann wrote:
>     >
>     >> Brendan McKay:
>     >>
>     >>> A Jewish calendar on the web that has been thoroughly tested
>     is here:
>     >>>
>     >>>    http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >> That's great. Thank you so much. I was able to tabulate the data
>     >> available there and confirm that my formula agrees with it for the
>     >> years 1753-2238. And using those dates, I can now revisit the
>     >> original "Years when Ramadan and Rosh Hashana coincide" table:
>     >>
>     >> Year   Ramadan   Rosh Hashana
>     >>
>     >> 1777      10/3      10/2
>     >> 1778      9/23      9/22
>     >> 1779      9/12      9/11
>     >>
>     >> 1810      9/30      9/29
>     >> 1811 =    9/19      9/19
>     >> 1812       9/8       9/7
>     >>
>     >> 1843 =    9/25      9/25
>     >> 1844 =    9/14      9/14
>     >>
>     >> 1875      10/1      9/30
>     >> 1876      9/20      9/19
>     >> 1877       9/9       9/8
>     >>
>     >> 1908      9/27      9/26
>     >> 1909 =    9/16      9/16
>     >>
>     >> 1940 =    10/3      10/3*
>     >> 1941 =    9/22      9/22*
>     >> 1942 =    9/12      9/12
>     >>
>     >> 1973      9/28      9/27
>     >> 1974      9/18      9/17*
>     >> 1975       9/7       9/6
>     >>
>     >> 2005 =    10/4      10/4
>     >> 2006      9/24      9/23
>     >> 2007 =    9/13      9/13
>     >>
>     >> 2038 =    9/30      9/30*
>     >> 2039 =    9/19      9/19*
>     >> 2040 =     9/8       9/8
>     >>
>     >> 2071      9/25      9/24
>     >> 2072      9/14      9/13*
>     >>
>     >> 2103      10/3      10/2
>     >> 2104      9/21      9/20
>     >> 2105 =    9/10      9/10
>     >>
>     >> 2136 =    9/27      9/27
>     >> 2137 =    9/16      9/16
>     >>
>     >> 2168 =    10/3      10/3
>     >> 2169      9/22      9/21
>     >> 2170      9/12      9/11
>     >>
>     >> 2201      9/30      9/29
>     >> 2202      9/19      9/18
>     >> 2203 =     9/8       9/8
>     >>
>     >> 2233      10/6      10/5
>     >> 2234 =    9/25      9/25
>     >> 2235 =    9/14      9/14
>     >>
>     >> *'s are corrected Rosh Hashana dates. Three consecutive
>     coincidental
>     >> years are rather special, appearing only twice: 1940-1942 and
>     2038-2040.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>
>
>     --
>     _________________________________________________________________________
>
>     Karol A. PENSON
>
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